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dauben Citruholic


Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 783 Location: San Diego, Zone 9A
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:11 am Post subject: When can you count your graft as being successful? |
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This is probably covered somewhere else, but I couldn't find it with the search terms I was using. How long after you did your grafting can you say your graft was successful. I grafted a dozen branches about two weeks ago and most of my grafts now have blooms and/or green leaves growing on them. Can I say these were successful or is there still a potential for failure? The grafts I did were cleft and verneer.
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JoeReal Site Admin


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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:43 am Post subject: |
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Next year, if they resprouted and are vigorous, then they are truly successful. If they died or are lethargic next spring time, then there could be incompatibility issues. |
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dauben Citruholic


Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 783 Location: San Diego, Zone 9A
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| JoeReal wrote: | | Next year, if they resprouted and are vigorous, then they are truly successful. If they died or are lethargic next spring time, then there could be incompatibility issues. |
Thanks Joe. I was hoping that I would be out of the woods. These were all of the scions that you had sent. So far so good with all of them!!
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Skeeter Moderator

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JoeReal Site Admin


Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4698 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Skeet is right on. If you have a sprout that didn't die after a couple of weeks, it is more like 95% successful graft.
With my own convention or terminology, you will have a TAKE if the grafted scion is alive (remained green) after a few weeks. But to declare that a Graft is a SUCCESS would require longer observation to make sure you can assess long term compatibility.
Sometimes I had grafts that bear quality fruits that same or next year only to die the following year after fruiting. Sometimes I had thought that I had bud takes that failed but they sprout three years after if they were not swallowed by the callous of the host.
The definition of success or failure can get blurred by our personal scale of time. |
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Laaz Site Owner


Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 2481 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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They way I look at it is if the bud is still green three to four weeks after the budding / grafting it was a success. Compatibility on the other hand can show up years later. Once you unwrap the bud & it remains green, your graft was a success. Now if you grafted a blind bud it will never produce and if you budded a incompatible scion it will fail sooner or later... _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap !
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reversethong Citruholic

Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 266 Location: Gilbert,AZ
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:11 am Post subject: |
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what is blind bud? |
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Millet Site Admin


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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:50 am Post subject: |
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A blind bud is a "bud" without an eye. Never used for propagation. - Millet - (1,253-) |
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reversethong Citruholic

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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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millet do you have a picture? |
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JoeReal Site Admin


Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4698 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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No need for the picture. Take a look at a pencil-sized diameter branch of a citrus tree. The bud to where very first leaf starting from the base of that branch is almost always a blind bud, 99% of the time. It is like a small flat dimple. It is the first couple of buds (or sometimes up to the first three) coming from the base of the branch that are blind buds, with the first one as being a blind bud of highest probability. |
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reversethong Citruholic

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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:50 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Joe. One more question, is there something that qualifies growth as a sport? Is a sport different that just normal growth? |
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JoeReal Site Admin


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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| reversethong wrote: | | Thanks Joe. One more question, is there something that qualifies growth as a sport? Is a sport different that just normal growth? |
A sport is usually a desirable mutation of the budded cultivar. When it mutates it will have its own character so that any graft from that mutation when confirmed to carry over during subsequent grafting will help establish it as a sport mutation. Oftentimes you won't know because it will be the fruits that would be slightly different. The most common sport mutation that you know right away is the variegation. |
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reversethong Citruholic

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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Thanks that makes more sense. What's a chimera? |
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fofoca Citruholic

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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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A chimera has a mixture of tissues/cells with different genetic codes. For example, in variegated plants where the white part has a defect in chlorophyll production and the green part is normal. |
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reversethong Citruholic

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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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I've been reading the notes on the UCR citrus pages and see that term a lot. It seems many are removed. |
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